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thousands cheer donald trump tonight at a campaign rally in south carolina fresh off of his overwhelming victory in the new hampshire primary. the countdown to south carolina, the primary there is on. it is 11:00 in the east. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. is the republican establishment ready to take trump seriously? i'll ask former new york city mayor rudy giuliani tonight. he weighs in on trump's impact on the gop race. and president obama goes back to the city where he launched his presidential campaign nine years ago, talking about his political achievements and failures. there's a lot to get to in the hour ahead. next stops on the campaign
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trail, south carolina and nevada. as we count down to super tuesday on march 1st. joining me now is mckay copins, a senior political writer for buzzfeed news. good to have you. the outsiders, donald trump, bernie sanders were victorious in new hampshire last night. how rattled is the establishment on both sides? >> i think it's somewhat between rattled and outright panic from what i understand. i spent last night at marco rubio's primary rally. remember that just a few days ago before his kind of debate stage meltdown he was seen as a surging candidate, someone who's going to come in a strong second, possibly even challenge donald trump for first place in new hampshire, finally kind of consolidate the establishment support and become the republican party standard bearer to take on donald trump. that didn't happen. and not only did that not happen, donald trump won by 20 points. he was 20 points ahead of the
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next closest candidate john kasich of ohio, who has no real path to the nomination as far as i can tell. the establishment people that i talked to are saying that this is complete chaos, this is the worst possible situation we could see ourselves in coming out of new hampshire. and now we're in south carolina, all these campaigns have decamped for the palmetto state, which is kind of a notoriously toxic political scene with a long history of dirty tricks and whisper campaigns and rumor mongering. and i think that there's a lot of concern that the establishment candidates, john kasich, jeb bush, and marco rubio are going to spend the whole time down here bludgeoning each other while donald trump continues to kind of skate above the from a and -- >> answer this for me before we move on. you said john kasich doesn't have a clear path at all to the nominati nomination, you don't see him as viable, he's not the anti-trump
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in this. >> well, never say never. i mean, the problem that john kasich has is he based his entire candidacy around new hampshire talking about oh, i could win democrats, i should be running as a democrat, joking about that. you know, in some ways taking very moderate stances on issues. that plays really well in the granite state. not so much in primary races where democrats and independents can't vote. the other issue is that he doesn't have any money and he doesn't have really any political infrastructure. so unless he can somehow convince a lot of donors that he is viable, i just don't see him as being kind of the powerhouse that's able to take on donald trump. >> mckay, so listen, you have some interesting reporting. i thought it was very interesting. on marco rubio. specifically that he has a tendency to panic in a crisis. can you explain that? and how does he handle things since his poor debate performance led to a fifth-place finish last night?
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>> i wrote about this in my book. it dates all the way back to early in his life. you have to remember, marco rubio comes from a kind of immigrant parents. he had a working-class background. he really had to hustle for everything he's gotten in his career. and what his friends and allies and advisers tell me is that while that kind of -- that status anxiety has fueled a lot of his ambition and drive, also at key moments of high pressure and high tension in his career it can cause him to panic. one example they bring up was during the 2010, his kind of long shot bid for the senate in florida, even the most kind of minor, gentle attacks from charlie crist, who was his opponent at the time, would cause him to just spiral into this kind of self-doubt and anxiety and concern, and his advisers were constantly having to talk him off the ledge.
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people change, they grow up. he's obviously very young for somebody who's gotten as far as he is. i've also been told by his advisers that he's been act i have actively working on this, trying to keep his anxiety in check. but why i think it's relevant is because on the debate stage when he had that kind of mini meltdown a lot of people who knew him said that's marco. >> that would explain -- >> when he's faced with a high stress situation. >> does that explain the water -- >> exactly. he can have these -- but the thing is going forward, the big question is can he keep that in check and while he's kind of locked in this really intense hand-to-hand combat down here in south carolina as i suspect the next nine or ten days is going to provide, will he be able to, you know, show that he can keep his cool, stay on message, stay on track, if he's able to do that i think that's the biggest question mark in terms of where his campaign goes from here. >> and also this campaign is
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about authenticity. if he just admitted that to the voters they may accept it and understand him more. thank you, mckay coppins. appreciate it. >> thank you. thanks. donald trump's candidacy shaking up the republican party. i want to talk about this with rudy giuliani. in addition to being chairman and ceo of giuliani partners and the former mayor of new york city, of course rudy giuliani now adds another title. global chairman of cyber security and crisis management and senior adviser to the executive chairman of greenberg trautwig. welcome. that is a long title. it's good to have you here. >> i do a lot of stuff. >> you do do a lot of stuff. as well as -- many people compare you to donald trump. they say you have a lot in common, you know each other very well. you're both straight shooters. you're straight-talking new yorkers who have been criticized by the establishment for not being, quote, true conservatives. some people say you're mavericks. why is he having so much success, do you think, this election cycle? >> for exactly what you just
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said. i think the american people are starved for someone who tells you what they think, says it the way he believes it, even i think sometimes people disagree with him. and i know people who do. but they tell me boy, we respect him because he's finally cutting through this political correctness. and maybe we needed somebody to do that. we can't communicate with each other anymore. >> what do you mean by that, we can't communicate with each other anymore? >> because if we say something slightly sensitive and you're going to be accused of being feminist or racist or sexist. when he was accused of being sexist, i thought that was brilliant. he turned it around on hillary and said what do you mean i'm a sexist? you protected your husband against all those allegations. you're the one who says that if a woman say victim she should be believed. except for the women your husband took advantage of. i mean, who would say that other
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than a guy like donald who's a straight shooter? >> let's talk about that because he has said some things people would consider nasty or controversial about women as you just mentioned, minorities, other language that some consider vulgar on the campaign trail. some people say he is thin skinned to criticism. people have concerns about his temperament. do you understand those concerns? >> oh, i do. some of the things i disagree with. i didn't agree with the comment on senator mccain. senator mccain is one of my heroes. but he kind of clarified that. they talked to each other. you might notice that senator mccain came to his defense when he attacked senator cruz. i think that's sort of behind us. i also have to attribute some of, that the first couple months of donald trump to first being a candidate. having been a reality show guy and a salesman. i think the first couple of months he said some things that he would say a little different right now as a much more sophisticated candidate.
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but still, he's going to tell you maybe in slightly more sensitive language what he really believes. >> let's get back to the campaign trail and what's happening right now because this was a big win last night in new hampshire. >> wow. >> does the establishment finally have to realize that trump is for real? >> yes. here was the big question about donald. including for me, don. i'll tell you. he registered very, very well in the polls. i've seen people register well in polls and then it doesn't convert itself to votes. so when iowa happened -- a couple of iowa polls had him at about 28 and he came in at 24. there was a little concern that maybe the polls were being driven by his celebrity status, not his ability to get votes. what new hampshire establishes is he can overperform. he was only 30% in the polls.
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he got 34% of the vote. so that's a real following that he has. and i think if the republican party doesn't recognize that they're making a terrible mistake. >> the other candidates don't seem to be able to make a dent. who else do you like besides donald trump? >> well, i like bush a lot. and he's been a friend as long as donald. and i think bush, whatever problems jeb bush has are communication, they're not knowled knowledge, background, experience, ability to do the job, temperament to do the job. i don't even get it because i've seen him -- i campaigned with him, i don't know, at least 30 or 40 times. and he can often be a very dynamic campaigner. somehow maybe thinking he was the front-runner here he kind of -- but i don't count -- i don't count bush out. i don't count rubio out, even though he had that bad moment that chris christie very artfully produced. i thought that was one of the more brilliant
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cross-examinations i ever saw. and i don't count kasich out. those are your people. i have trouble with cruz because he's too far right for me. and you know i'm a moderate republican. that gets a little too far out to the right. >> what makes him too far to the right, mr. mayor? >> i think the fact he -- rubio actually points this out. he like sets the definition of what it is to be a conservative and if you don't agree with him on everything you're not a conservative, only he is. and that sort of defies the guy he talks about a lot but never worked for but i did, ronald reagan. ronald reagan used to say, my 80% is not my 20% enemy. and if we can agree on 7 out of 8 things let's get it done and let's forget about the other three we don't agree on. i don't see that in cruz. >> give me a quick prediction beyond -- as we get into super tuesday, what do you think's
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going to happen? >> well, i think it's going to come down to donald. i think it's going to be cruz. i think it's going to be bush and rubio. >> and that's it. >> and kasich as the vice president. >> mayor giuliani, back after the break. and i'm going to ask him why he is upset about beyonce's performance during the super bowl halftime show, which he called anti-police. it's a conversation you don't want to miss. wiback like it could used to? neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena
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back now with rudy giuliani. beyonce's halftime performance drew praise from many but his also met with harsh criticism. it came on the heels of the release of her new video "formation." take a look. ♪ ♪ how you get eliminated ♪ okay, ladies, now let's get in
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formation ♪ ♪ i say, okay, ladies, now let's get in formation ♪ ♪ you know you that [ muted ] when you cause all this conversation ♪ ♪ always stay gracious >> can i ask you something that's happening? and's in really -- it is pop culture related. it's law enforcement related because i know you've been speaking out about it this week. beyonce's performance at the halftime at the super bowl. you've been very critical of her. why is that? >> well, first of all, you have to understand there's a lot of emotion attached to it. i was at the bedside of 42 police officers before september 11th who lost their lives protecting the people of new york city. and most of the lives that they saved in new york city were black lives. and under me and under my police department we saved more african-american lives than all these people in the black lives matter movement combined. by efficient, fair, decent policing. the new york city police
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department is a non-white majority police department. and if it weren't for the new york city police department there would be thousands and thousands of dead young black kids in new york that these people who are creating this terrible situation for the police where they're putting a target on their back don't realize. i don't think they're doing it on purpose. i know they have other agendas. but to see people dressed up like the black panthers, who assassinated police officers, we want to go back to the black panthers? i mean, i don't know. so that got me disturbed. >> well, two things, mr. mayor. let me say this. many artists have taken stances before. i happened to see sting last night. he takes social stances. i've seen other artists take social stances on social and political issues. she's not the first person to do it. and because someone is critical of a bad part of policing, we know that most police officers are good police officers. does that necessarily make them
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anti-police? >> at a time in which police officers have a target on their back, when you only emphasize the view, infinitesimal small number of situations in which police officers kill people as opposed to the enormous number of times in which people are killed by other people, and in the african-american community it's african-americans killing african-americans. i think this is not just any time. this is a time m n. which police officers feel -- and if you go talk to them around america they'll tell you this. they have a target on their back. i had two officers in new york city, detective ramos and detective liu, who were assassinated. they were assassinated protecting an african-american housing development. one guy happens to be hispanic and the other guy happens to be chinese, by the way. so excuse me if i'm a little emotional about it. i think too many cops die saving
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the lives of people. and maybe some emphasis should be given to that. and at a moment like that with 90 million people watching you to not at least give the other side of the story, when that's the side of the story that really is saving lives, not a bunch of that, you know, political rhetoric, look, the reality is the way in which most people are killed in this country are by other people, not by cops. >> mr. mayor -- >> cops save a lot more lives than they cause. >> your point is well taken. and i think many people understand that price officers have tough jobs and of course the two officers who were assassinated here in new york city, our hearts go out to them. but by the same token that you're saying, i want you to understand this. that you're saying that maybe beyonce should be more sensitive to another side of it. do you think that you should be more sensitive to another side as well, that there -- >> i am. >> because it sounds like you're saying that there isn't a problem with police officers and
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african-americans. >> i am not. you're looking at somebody who put 70 police officers in jail, a lot more than beyonce ever did. i've prosecuted police officers. i've put them in jail. i've put them in jail for long periods of time when they were corrupt, when they were brutal. when one police officer was engaged in an act of brutality when i was mayor, he went to jail for 25 years. there's nobody tougher on police than i am. i expect them to act above and beyond what other people act. but i happen to know that most of them do that. and at a time like this, maybe it might not be a bad idea for people who have the kind of fame and celebrity that she has to teach everyone not only in her community but in every other community to respect the police. to respect the uniform. not to make it appear as if they're the enemy. but to respect the uniform of our police officers, of our military. that's the way i was brought up. that's a lot safer way to bring up your child, by the way.
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and that part of it -- and to see that in the middle of an nfl football game without any suggestion that we should respect the people who have saved our lives and the people who have their lives on the line trying to save our lives, that offended me in an emotional way because i have been at the bedside of so many police officers who have died, have four uncles who were police officers and have a cousin shot in the line of duty. >> i'm sorry that happened to your family and you had to witness that. there are many things i'm sure you've witnessed as mayor and as a leader, as a politician that many others don't get to see. so then if you had a chance to sit down with beyonce or members of the black lives matter movement, how would you bridge the gap? how would you work with them to bring it together where more lives can be saved -- >> well, i wish i would have had the opportunity to do that. first of all, i'd have them come take a look at my police
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department. i still consider it mine. it hasn't been mine for 20 years. but i'm the one who initiated the program with peter arnell to bring more minorities into the new york city police department. when i inherited the new york city police department, it was a majority white police department. when i turned it over, it was a non-majority nothing police department. it was pretty equal percentages of white, black, hispanic, asian. i deliberately did that. i'd like them to come and take a look at how the police department really operates. i'd like them to go talk to the people i used to go talk to in the housing developments in new york, african-americans who would ask me for more police officers to protect them the way detectives ramos and liu were protecting that housing development the day they died. >> what would you say to them? what would you do if you were at the table with them? >> that's what i would do. i'd say let's go talk to these police officers. how about you spend the night
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riding with them and see what they go through and what they're trying to do. they're trying to stop one group of guys from killing another group of guys, who happen to usually be the same race. that's what they're doing. that's why they're out there. of course you get a few that are bad. and they probably will have never met someone who put more bad cops in jail than me. they probably don't know anybody that's put as many bad cops in jail as me. they also don't know anybody who saved more black lives than i did with the policing that i did in new york. how about thousands? when i came into office, there were 1,900 murders in new york. when i left, it was down to 500. 70% to 75% of those murders were of black people. >> mr. mayor, i appreciate your candor. and coming on and explaining this. and you always take the tough questions and you answer. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> the former mayor never one to mince words. up next, reaction to rudy giuliani's breakdown of beyonce's performance and policing in america.
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so the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani, never
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one to back down from tough questions and always one to express his opinion honestly. so joining me now to talk about beyonce's super bowl performance and what kind of statement it made and to talk about that interview honestly is michael nutter, the former mayor of philadelphia, and van jones, cnn political commentator. mayor, i'm so glad you could hang around to do this. thank you so much. okay? so you heard mayor giuliani. you were also a mayor of a major city, with its share of violence. and you know this issue very well from both sides. is he right that police officers have targets on their backs and that this video and performance don't help? >> well, i would say this. and as the mayor mentioned, and i -- during my time i lost a number of police officers to violence. we saw shortly after i went out of office a gentleman walk right up to a police car and shoot the police officer, hartnett. fortunately, he survived that. and acted in a heroic fashion. so this is very serious
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business, and policing and public service and first responders, some of the most dangerous jobs in the world. first i didn't know that mayor giuliani was now kind of a pop music, culture critic. i think there is a place in this world for artists and artistry. there are some who have ill feelings, no question. there are some very bad people on the streets of america who target police officers. there's a significant amount of tension in the community about police and community relations. but the overwhelming majority of people do in fact respect police officers, know that their job is tough, and when something happens to them they call 911 and they want a professional police officer to show up. i think sometimes we need to back up a little bit, not take things so seriously, and then appreciate the artistry. >> but van, he said -- >> maybe the mayor is not fully understanding the power of beyonce, a strong black woman
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who is caking control of her life and her career and is dealing with a very serious issue. and the issue itself needs to be dealt with, which don, you tried to ask the mayor about that. and from my view he kind of blew it off. >> so van, he's saying an artist has a responsibility and beyonce didn't tell both sides of the story. does she have that responsibility as an artist to do that with an audience as big as the super bowl? >> well, she doesn't have any more responsibility than he has. i mean, he sat here for two segments and barely addressed the fact that for a year or two now on this show, on this network we have seen african-american young man after african-american young woman, people grieving over these killings. now, if he can't find his way as an esteemed mayor of america to tell both sides of the story, i don't know why he's going to pick on beyonce.
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beyonce did a beautiful job. she did a brilliant job. she's speaking for a generation. and here's the problem i have with everything he said. he positioned himself as this great champion and savior of the black community, this great champion and savior of black youth. you know what? when you're the champion and savior of a group, you tend to have a relationship with them. ? he says that police officers -- he said his police officers have saved more black lives than black lives matter does or will. does he have a point? >> hey, listen, my dad was a cop in the military. my uncle milton douglas jones just retired from memphis city police force. i'm from a law enforcement family. it is in fact true that law enforcement saves lives every day. that's not the point. the point is, though, that when you have a pattern and a practice now where the ones who do horrible things don't go to change. he talked about 70 he put in jail. i never heard about that number before. when he ran for president he didn't brag about putting 70 cops in jail. this is the first time i heard
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him say that. there are a number of cops who are not going to jail. i think it's unfortunate that one of our most esteemed and respected and revered and legendary political aerds after two years now can't find it in his heart to understand why a young artist would want to speak out about this issue. it's shocking to me. >> don, my problem with the interview was problem similar to van's, that the mayor basically laid out a case that the ends justify the means, that whatever was going on in new york city and that, you know, lives were saved. but in the meantime you may in fact have destroyed decades of relationship between the police in the african-american community, communities of color, but since lives were saved, you know, in the mayor's view it sounds like everything else is secondary to that. and that's just not how things can be. >> that's going to have to be the last word. thank you, mayor nutter. again, i appreciate you stick around. you as well van jones. and we'll have you both back on. this conversation is going to
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president barack obama in springfield, illinois today at the very site where he launched his presidential campaign nine years ago, delivering a personal speech highlighting his achievements and acknowledging his shortcomings. look. >> next year i'll still hold the most important title of all. and that's the title of citizen. and as an american citizen i understand that our progress is not inevitable. our progress has never been inevitable. it must be fought for and won by all of us with the kind of patriotism that our fellow illinoisan adlai stevenson once described not as a short frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime.
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it requires citizenship and a sense that we are one. and today that kind of citizenship is threatened by a poisonous political climate that pushes people away from participating in our public life. it turns folks off. it discourages them, makes them cynical. and when that happens, more powerful and extreme voices fill the void. when that happens, progress stalls. >> one thing i've learned is folks know change. so trying to find common ground doesn't make me less of a democrat or less of a progressive. it means i'm trying to get stuff
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done. and the same applies to a republican, who heaven forbid might agree with me on a particular issue. or if i said america's great, decided to stand during a state of the union. it's not a controversial proposition. you're not going to get in trouble. but the fact that that's hard to do is a testament to how difficult our politics has become. because folks are worried, well, i'm going to get yelled at by here, this blogger's going to write that, this talk show host is going to talk to me and someday i have to challenge her and calling me a rino, not a real progressive. i've got daughters that are getting older now, and one of the most important things about being a parent i think is them
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just seeing what you do not when you're out in public, not when you're dealing with somebody important but just how do you treat people generally. and it makes me much more mindful. i want to live up to their expectations. and in that same way i want this democracy to live up to the people's expectations. we can't move forward if all we do is tear each other down. and the political incentives as they are today too often rewards that kind of behavior. that's what gets attention. so it will require some courage just to act the way our parents taught us to act. it shouldn't. but in this political environment apparently it does. we've got to insist to do
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better. from each other. for each other. rather than reward those who would disenfranchise any segment of america we've got to insist that everybody arm themselves with information and facts and that they vote. if 99% of us vote it wouldn't matter how much the 1% spends on our elections. >> joining me is douglas brinkley, cnn's presidential historian and bob beckwell author of "i should be dead: my life surviving politics, tv and addiction." doug, it's amazing to see -- when someone sees how the sausage is made, because he's really explaining to the american people, this is how the sausage is made. he's letting you in on this secret, which is not really that much of a secret. but i found his speech to be very interesting in that respect today. >> well, it is. barack obama is really preaching the gospel of civility. right after donald trump won new hampshire. there's a contrast of styles
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between trump and the president there. i thought it was a historical moment for the president. a journey down memory lane going back to springfield, illinois in the general assembly there. he had valerie jarrett and david axelrod on his side. and it made me realize, every month now, the last february he's president, last march, last april sxwirks think he's deeply disappointed he's not been able to help make the public discourse less poisonous as he put it. he thinks that's the most failed part of his presidency. >> part of that was his mission nine years ago today when he announced he was going to run for president. today he gave that speech. does it feel like an early farewell speech to you? >> it did. i thought it was almost like a farewell address. but i think this president's going to do a few farewell addresses. i promise it won't be a big speech about why we need to be kinder and continue with our
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immigration policy. we're going to have a big farewell address about the climate change dangers in the 21st century. and of course you're going to have a big political speech by barack obama in philadelphia for the democratic national convention. so i think he simply decided to do a number of these reflective speeches before the final farewell address next january. >> bob beckel, you and i were sitting watching this and you said how he's aged. mostly in the hair. but he's also grown a lot more comfortable and confident over the years addressing a crowd. >> i don't think it's a coincidence he said what he said they said nep scheduled this for the day after the hachl ham primary. that was a direct shot at donald trump. the republicans have not given him a single break since the
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time he came into office. i mean, some of the stuff that he passed obamacare didn't get a single vote from republicans. i think what he's saying here, he's laying the -- he's playing presidential politics well and he understands his polarization has got to end or at least move a little bit so that people have a chance to digest what's going on here. >> douglas brinkley, as an historian, a presidential historian, when you look at the anger in the populists, the rejection of the establishment in both parties, is there another time in our history you can compare to this in. >> well, you get these moments when both sides -- in the 19th century they used to have caning incidents in capitol hill where senators would take canes and beat each other and scream at each other and of course it led to a civil war.
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usually we come together on something like world war ii where we're all in if together. but the vietnam war divided the country between hawks and doves much like you're having in this country between the 99% versus 1 crowd or is wall street to blame or the federal government to blame. but it is definitely an era of acrimony right now. president obama's trying to be the cool agent. that's the words always assigned to him. mr. unflappable. i thought he gave a very smart speech on civility today. but alas, by new hampshire's gobbling up all the news so, it's become a bit of a back of the bookend story. >> i don't know. would you prefer a caning or the kind of stuff that's happening? >> i'm aware of that incident. i'm pining for the days of caning. i've said this many times. these populist movements have been through american politics
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from the very beginning of american politics. and they come in cycles. going back to william jennings bryant, taft, go through it. ross perot, god forbid. and now donald trump. and they're taking advantage of an electorate that is angry. he and sanders both are digging into that. >> douglas brinkley, always a pleasure. i'll see you soon. thank you very much. >> thanks, don. >> bob, make sure you stay with me because we're going to have a lot more to talk about president obama, what he said today and how it could impact the race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders.
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president barack obama's illinois homecoming today where he confronted his failures to fix america's politics. back with me now bob beckel and cnn contributor bacarri sellers joins me. for the second time in a month the president highlighted that he thinks he failed to unite washington. does this surprise you? >> no, it doesn't. i mean, what we're seeing is a very humble president who recognizes that at seven years into his term there are still some things that he wished he could have gotten. it's the epitome of the american dream. he wanted the language to be less visceral, the rancor to be toned down. and what he sees now is a bernie sanders campaign and a donald trump campaign which have tapped into an anxious, which have tapped into a worry. and all of you us, even myself included, sometimes i have to take a step back and realize my language in this political discourse is not what it should be. and i'm not absolutely certain how we got there.
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>> how so? >> but i know this is something that weighs on barack obama's heart. >> you think sometimes you say things you shouldn't say or too inflammatory? >> i don't necessarily think it's too inflammatory. but we've gone to let our emmotions cloud our better judgment. just for me to harp back on an earlier segment, we're talking about young african-american men dying in the street. and those type of emotions build up and it's so much going on around us that i think we need to let cooler heads prevail on both sides of the aisle, all races. and i think barack obama is a transformational president and he recognizes that in his last few months this is something maybe he can give a shot at as well. >> very well put, bakari. and it takes an intelligent person to admit the things you just pointed out on television. do you think the world looks differently when you're sitting in the oval office? >> oh, sure. >> when you know how the sausage
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is made you sigh ee it differen than other people -- >> it's not that obama didn't try with republicans. when he first got -- >> some people say way too much. >> yeah. he hung there n. there too long. after a while you get no votes from them you say hey, i'm probably not going to say this. >> the conversation liberals say and people of color say, they don't like you, why do you keep trying to work with them? that was a big criticism. but bob, continue. >> big legislation, whether it's the civil rights act or any big piece of legislation, has always been bipartisan. until obama got his health care plan. and without republican support. but i think he was sending a message out. i think it was very supportive in some ways of hillary clinton, direct shot at donald trump. but you look at those sanders and trump people, when hillary clinton came up on the screen the sanders people were booing here. accusing her of being a conservative. one thing she's not is a conservative. >> he also took a shot at the
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media. not just television. social media, online, bloggers, all that, where he's been talking about the fractured stlukt of t structure of the media, fox news on the right and the huffington post on the left. >> we don't have a common basis for what's true and what's not. i mean, if i listened to some of these conservative pundits i wouldn't vote for me either. i sound like a scary guy. you've got advox groups that frankly sometimes benefit from keeping their members agitated as much as possible. assured of the riecghteousness their cause. unlimited dark money. money that nobody knows where it's coming from, who's paying. drowns out ordinary voices. >> bakari, you were just speaking to that. that's from all groups, left and
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right. >> it's amazing. have you ever listened to republican talk radio sometimes? traveling, especially in the deep south, some of the things that are said, some of the madek at the republican front-runner, who literally went on a tantrum and imitated a reporter's disability, who calls people racist. on our side on the democratic side you have people get out of hand. i was just thinking about what bob said. we need less of the rancor and more of what we actually did here in south carolina this year, which is both sides coming together during a time of grief and having a bipartisan effort to take the symbol of bigotry and hate the confederate flag down. i know tom viewers that may not mean a lot but to those of us in south carolina it was a sigh of freedom. where we could just cheer for something good. but that all came about because we came together. and i think the president recognizes he hit that tone. whether or not it's going to be successful unfortunately i'm a bit jaded, i don't think so. because it's going to be drowned
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out by this ridiculousness we have that's our presidential politics. >> quick response, bob. >> i think obamas problem with the press started when you interviewed him in 2006 and from there forward that was a problem. >> this is before he was running. >> i understand. you set a precedent. he thought he'd get a break from you and he didn't. these things come together in south carolina around big major tragic events. and it's too bad we have to wait for a tragic event to bring it together. >> do you think he's going to endorse hillary clinton? i think of course he has to. but when do you think that's going to happen if it does? >> right after super tuesday. some time in mid march i would guess. he cannot have bernie sanders work down and get this -- he's got to step in at some point and also take it out on trump. >> even jay carney came out today and said barack obama would love a clinton presidency.
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i think we're starting to see them after march 1st gets here. bernie sanders' path is so narrow that once it gets squeezed enough i think barack obama can dwum in and bernie can give a heck of a speech at the dnc. >> they say barack obama's going to be a problem for hillary, it's ridiculous. he's going to be a big asset for her. >> we'll be right back.
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that's it for us. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here on friday night. "early start" with john berman and christine romans begins right now. just hours from now, bernie sanders, hillary clinton, face-off in a key debate at a key moment in the democratic race for president. we'll break down the new strategy they have going forward. republicans now taking the white house fight to south carolina and all-out brawl to take down frontrunner donald trump and each other. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> nice to see you. i'm john berman. thursday, february 11th. we are hours away from a showdown. a pbs democratic debate that will air

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